Giuliani was attempting to defend the president after the release of a 2016 audio in which Trump is heard speaking with Michael Cohen, who was his personal attorney at the time.

The two appeared to discuss buying the rights to the story of Karen McDougal, a Playboy model who claims she had an affair with Trump. Trump’s representatives at the time said they had “no knowledge of any of this.”

Giuliani had several other unusual moments in the interview.