Me: So, how‘s the whistleblowing going?

Him: I‘m trying to get a book published. I sent it off to a publisher who immediately accepted it and then it got legal and they said, „This is never going to get published.“

Me: Why? Because it accuses too many people of crime?

Him: Yes, as I said to the parliamentary commission, Coulson knew all about it and regularly ordered it . . . He [Coulson] rose quickly to the top; he wanted to cover his tracks all the time. So he wouldn‘t just write a story about a celeb who‘d done something. He‘d want to make sure they could never sue, so he wanted us to hear the celeb like you on tape saying, „Hello, darling, we had lovely sex last night.“ So that‘s on tape – OK, we‘ve got that and so we can publish . . . Historically, the way it went was, in the early days of mobiles, we all had analogue mobiles and that was an absolute joy. You know, you just . . . sat outside Buckingham Palace with a £59 scanner you bought at Argos and get Prince Charles and everything he said.